173. Conquering Burnout: From Recognition to Recovery - Meet the Author: Julie Bee

[00:00:00] Welcome to Episode 173 of Girl, Take the Lead, where each week we explore womanhood and leadership. And I'm your host, Yolanda Canny. Julie Bee, Millennial, joins me to discuss her new book, Burned. How Business Owners Can Overcome Burnout and Fuel Success. In addition to being an author,

[00:00:33] Julie is a business coach and speaker. She has solidified her reputation as a dynamic consultant, a riveting speaker, and a leader who sheds light on the darker side of business ownership. She shares her personal burnout story with us and impresses upon us that burnout is an epidemic

[00:00:56] and overcoming it by taking a vacation, getting more exercise, and incorporating meditation into our days isn't the advice we all need. Here are some of the topics we covered in the episode. Defining Burnout, the Burnout Process, Red Flags to Look For, Battling Burnout,

[00:01:21] Women Exiting the Workplace, and Steps for Personal Recovery from Burnout. Enjoy the listen. Here you go. Julie Bee, Welcome to Girl, Take the Lead. We talked back in April I think and so I'm excited that we're going to have this conversation and have this episode because I think

[00:01:49] you have so much to offer us about burnout and yeah it's a welcome. Thanks for having me yo. Anytime we bring up burnout I feel like often there's that collective sigh of

[00:02:04] like we're talking about it, we have to talk about it, and it is like there's that okay we're going to talk about it. But that's one of the solutions right being able to talk about it.

[00:02:15] But before we get too far down the path why don't would you please introduce yourself to our listeners let them know about your writing and what you're up to. Absolutely so I'm Julie Bee and I have been

[00:02:27] an entrepreneur for almost 16 years at this point and I am also an author, I have a book that is out now it's called Burned How Business Owners Can Overcome Burnout and Fuel Success and honestly I am a coach and a speaker and I basically help business owners

[00:02:48] and leaders at this point prevent burnout and make sure that they know what the signs are just anything about burnout it isn't so much about a lot of what I do is try to help them you know

[00:03:00] not burn out. And I do work with people who are burned out but I try to catch it before it gets too bad and you know for business owners if you're burned out your your business is not

[00:03:12] going to run efficiently and effectively and other things start to suffer so I really believe it's probably the number two cause why businesses don't make it and I want to prevent them as

[00:03:24] much of it as possible. And in your book you kind of talk from the very beginning that you had your own wake-up call around burnout I think it'd be great to tell our listeners a little bit

[00:03:38] about that. Absolutely so at clear as day it was August 2021 I woke up one morning and I'd had there was a lot going on so kind of leading up to this it was just too much too much stress

[00:03:50] just too much stuff right. I woke up one morning and I thought I was having a heart attack I had my blood pressure was like 150 over 110 my pulse was through the roof sweaty

[00:04:04] flaming, nauseous, all chest pressure short as a breath all of these symptoms of a heart attack and I was 40 years old so you know that's that's really challenging to kind of turn 40 and then have that happen as well but basically I went to the emergency room and

[00:04:22] all the workups and it was a panic attack it wasn't a heart attack thank goodness was not a heart attack but it was a it was the first I've had anxiety attacks but it was the

[00:04:33] I think it was the first time I've had like a true panic attack and it really does feel like you're dying I mean I don't know how else to describe it they show up differently

[00:04:42] for everybody so went to the emergency room got diagnosed um and then just when it started journey from that of dealing with my burnout and actually doing something about it that was more

[00:04:58] than the advice that I got in the hospital that day which was do less take a vacation set better boundaries wow all fantastic advice but how do you do that well and I think your book explores

[00:05:14] those right like they they aren't necessarily solving the problem right yeah and it's you know I love a vacation as much as the next person but in my book I talk about vacations as when you're when you're taking a vacation to escape something it's not gonna

[00:05:36] it's not gonna fix the problem you're gonna come back to the problem so vacations for me you're definitely part of a more of a prevention plan around burnout but you know it's it's it's one

[00:05:48] thing to be able to um go on vacation or set better boundaries but the problem that I had in the reason I wrote my book was when I went I did research I went to google you know I went

[00:06:00] looking for like well how do you set boundaries how do you how do you do this as a business owner specifically as a and you know even even extending into as a leader specifically I think

[00:06:11] that's probably the bigger topic is how do you do that effectively and there really wasn't a lot out there it was it you know kind of reiterating like yeah take set boundaries take break take

[00:06:23] sabbatical but how to actually do that I couldn't there wasn't a manual out there and so I just I started creating and I wrote down what I did to go through this and that's how my book was born

[00:06:38] well I think you're also describing like the process kind of at the end point right and that what you talk about is finding and being the observer of some of those things that lead up to that stressful point

[00:06:57] that just keeps chronically happening so that you're in that moment of burnout so what what did you see there what did you see as the process that you think we go through to help us better identify when things are hooking us or triggering us

[00:07:18] the first step is I I think as a collective society the first thing I had to get over and then now that I now I coach my my clients to kind of move

[00:07:32] through is to drop the guilt and the shame around burnout you know especially like and I know a lot and I know a lot of your audience are women I think women tend to have more burnout

[00:07:51] for a lot of reasons because we have like caregiving roles and things like that but there's also a lot of guilt you know when you when you're a mom who's running a business for example

[00:08:02] or leading an organization you feel guilt if you feel like you can't if you feel if you're saying this is too much basically you know I think there's and there's some there's some standards and things that you know I didn't found in my research that

[00:08:19] you make us feel that way but I think overall the first thing you have to do is be able to say like I'm burned out and you've got to have the other thing that I think is really crucial

[00:08:29] is having a support team so that can be one person you know that can literally be in the in your personal life it might be your significant other or best friend or something

[00:08:39] like that and at work it might be you know a key employee or a coach or a mentor or something along those lines but it's it's it's absolutely essential to number one be able to claim and

[00:08:52] be able to just say like I'm burned out without it being trying to not carry that guilt around that and then two having somebody to actually say that too who is going to listen and then

[00:09:02] try to support you and help you come through it so I think those were some and some of the research and some of the conversations those were the two themes that just kept coming up for me

[00:09:14] when I was writing my book and so I know that Brene Brown talks a lot about overwhelm and maybe what I'm hearing you speak a little bit too is that you know that the difference

[00:09:27] between stress and overwhelm that stress is something you can delegate to somebody else to help you out you're still kind of coherent about what's going on but when you get to overwhelm it's

[00:09:38] tied up with all kinds of things and all you know and all you can really do is take yourself out and give yourself almost a time out to do nothing to be able to kind of come back to

[00:09:54] center at some point you know could take time to overcome that do you see that as because it's it's it's hard I would say it's I don't think it's doing nothing I think it's prioritizing what you're doing okay so I think and it's interesting that people like

[00:10:16] Brene Brown and a lot of people who have talked about those they do use I try to I'm very blunt and very direct so I try to not you know the word overwhelm is accurate but it's

[00:10:32] different from burnout so you know I look for people using code words so you know words like frustrated, disengaged, overwhelmed, stressed those don't necessarily mean you're burned out but those are oftentimes code words we use to describe burnout so I think that that's also

[00:10:50] I think that that's also like just in general if you're talking with somebody and they're constantly saying they're overwhelmed they're overwhelmed they're overwhelmed yeah it might be a place where you can say are you actually burned out so that's just one thing to you

[00:11:03] know just kind of think about but in terms of what we actually do I do think that when we do kind of have that critical I guess a crisis point like my trip to the emergency room

[00:11:15] there's definitely a moment where I had to do nothing for a few days I mean it was I mean I was laying on my couch doing nothing for a few days but then after that and this this was this

[00:11:28] was why I wrote my book I felt like I had to do something but I didn't know what to do and what I discovered in my process and what a lot of people discover is it's going through

[00:11:41] things like saying no to new opportunities that come up or pausing initiatives that I mean initiatives at work or even home like if you're in the middle of a kitchen remodel

[00:11:53] you know that might be too much for that you know a couple of weeks you might need to pause that for a little while stuff like that you've got to be able to it's you there's still an act of

[00:12:03] doing to get through burnout to deal with burnout so that's that's the challenge is that a lot of us are told you have to just stop doing so much or do less I don't think that's the right answer I think

[00:12:19] the right answer is you got to reflect on what you are doing and better prioritize whatever it is you need you know and usually it's there are a couple of things that I recommend people do

[00:12:31] but then after that it's can anybody else do this is this really adding value to my life or my work right now can't wait you know there are some questions we can ask to really let go of some

[00:12:43] things for at least a little while I am never coming on I mentioned to you that I caught myself you know a few days ago feeling the same kind of nervous anxiety in my body like my body was

[00:13:00] going over this I'm going to be launching an e-business portion to the website and that has to do with the podcast and I'm hand making cards with messages and sentiments that

[00:13:19] I think are appropriate for our listeners and I was just feeling like the way I felt when I was back in the job you know working where I was you know just sort of pushing through pushing

[00:13:35] through and I went whoa whoa it's not seeming fun right now what is going on let's stop for a moment let's take an assessment and I went what are you working towards and I went oh you think

[00:13:54] that the deadline you set for this can't be changed right I'm the only one who said the deadline there isn't like a manager or company or business it's my business I get to set

[00:14:13] the tone I get to set the deliverable yeah and I went okay if we don't make June 24 that's not gonna kill anybody that's okay it's all right just let it go so I don't know you're

[00:14:32] kind of laughing through it I guess you identify with some of the when you're in your business when you're doing your own thing you know that sometimes we have these things that we just

[00:14:44] put on ourselves well first of all congrats on launching the new initiative that's that's exciting yeah that's a little time to go yeah it's I get it though trust me I get it I was laughing because

[00:14:58] so much of what you said is you're doing the work so a lot of what you said so you you recognize that urrr and that you know push through right yeah you felt it you heard it you know I talk about

[00:15:14] isolating your burnout thoughts and or at least knowing what you're burnt like what what are thoughts that you have that may indicate your headed towards burnout you you have those like that's what that is I also think it's funny I was that

[00:15:32] the unrealistic expectation thing I tell you what entrepreneurs business owners you know high achieving people who have like high drive and just go go go we're the best at that aren't we we are fantastic at that totally and it's it is so so that's an example of

[00:15:55] you know a great job on your part of stepping back and saying hold on wait a second you know what what would happen if it was two weeks later right what's the worst that's going

[00:16:06] to happen you know like so I was laughing because you're you're doing the work that I describe in my book like a different part of it but you're doing it and that's you definitely talk about

[00:16:18] becoming aware you know like like you really have to because so many times like you've said we get these definitions of here's stress this is what it looks like here's overwhelm here's burnout whatever and the recognizing it in yourself like being still for a moment

[00:16:40] being quiet enough to be able to say ah yeah maybe I'm doing too much right now maybe I'm trying to tell myself to chill and to just you know take a moment

[00:16:56] to just get centered again because I think I I'm sure we can all get this way we just go off and in the doing of things we're not observing what's going on we got to get things done we got

[00:17:10] to get the kids here we got to do these all these you know multitasking I'm the most I could give an olympic sport on multitasking as I'm sure a lot of my listeners good too but you know it's

[00:17:25] I went through a very interesting journey with writing my book and you know it started with that burnout and I actually finished the first no actually I finished that was the last draft

[00:17:42] sitting in a hospital room with my dad who was recovering from pneumonia because he had had strokes I mean I had this time last year when I was finishing my book I was finishing the content

[00:17:55] of my book for my publisher my dad was in and out of the hospital with three strokes within three months and then a round of pneumonia that led to him being in a rehab facility for two weeks

[00:18:05] and then transitioning home and then helping my parents sell their house and then helping them move from a home to a two bedroom condo yeah and I finished a book during that time so the reason so that is and I shared that story because

[00:18:27] that's I think that's why it's important to have tools how to actually work with your burnout and work with these things that are happening there were definitely days where I woke up and I said

[00:18:40] to myself I am burned out I cannot work today when that was going on yeah but because I had done all of this work because I had created this process I knew exactly what was happening

[00:18:51] I knew exactly what to do I just and I did it and you know luckily I had my wife and my best friend who was who were supporting me and taking those actions and a team I had

[00:19:03] have a couple of people who worked for me at work that I was able to actually say I'm not going to be in today like I need I can't work right now so I think this is exactly why

[00:19:16] I talk about you know we have plans for leadership development or HR or sales or marketing strategies all this stuff but why you know why not have a plan for this as well because it's going to happen

[00:19:31] I mean even if you have a business that like even if everything seems great you life happens life happens you know life happens to everybody and if you don't have if you don't plan if you don't have a plan it's not necessarily

[00:19:51] planning what's going to happen you know something's going to happen it's planning like when when you have we have the amazing gift to be able to say okay here's what I could do when this happens just to have like a contingency plan so that you know like

[00:20:08] okay well I'm gonna I'm going to do these activities when when this happens so for me the red flag kind of showed up in my body is that typically how you see it or are there other red flags that you've come across with some of your clients that

[00:20:30] could could come up and pop up I actually find that most unless you've done some reflection work and some introspective work most of us aren't aren't uh that attuned to what's going on in our body all the time so again bravo

[00:20:49] to you you've obviously done some work to be able to notice that I would say for most of it a lot of times it'll be somebody else saying something to you oh so um

[00:21:02] or you can look for things I mean some of the big ones are sleep you're getting sick all the time when you get to that point though I feel like you're you're kind of bordering on a crisis

[00:21:12] so I always try to help people find it before then and there's there's three types of burnout that I I see and I believe you go through them in this order the first one is a tension

[00:21:24] and that usually shows up with for leaders as they can't make decisions they're having a hard time focusing you may be working just as much but getting half as much done that's that's something

[00:21:35] like you just don't you feel like you're just not it's just not coming out it's just not happening it's almost like you're you're in mud or sludge yeah like yeah oh it's you're

[00:21:47] you're not innovating you're not uh you're not able to clearly you're not able to get a thought across very clearly there's there's a lot of things but that's usually the first one

[00:22:01] that I see it's it's more of a and other people will often observe that in you they'll they'll say one one thing that I always tell leaders to look out for is how long is it taking you to

[00:22:13] make a decision that maybe it would have taken you a week to make when you weren't stressed is it taking you a month to make that decision are you not making that decision in decision and

[00:22:26] in action are also signs that I kind of look at for attentional burnout so that's that's the first one and so those those are like a lot of the times another good sign of this is when

[00:22:36] your team is asking you repeatedly to make a decision or your wife or your partner your best friend is like hey are we going on that trip I've been waiting on you for a month to tell me like

[00:22:47] if if other people are waiting on you to make decisions sometimes that can be an indicator of burnout so those are just some things that I see at that stage if we don't catch it there

[00:22:58] it usually goes into what I call emotional burnout and that's the type of burnout where I'm kind of summarizing all of that one up is that you just don't have any more cares to give

[00:23:08] you know however you want to say that you're just like you might be numb you might be more irritable than you usually are you might you might be just indifferent or you might be apathetic

[00:23:21] but it really I think the overall summary that stages I don't care like whatever you want to do I don't care like and you actually don't care you're just like just just do it I don't care

[00:23:33] so those those are the two I try to help people catch it there before it gets into your physical burnout sometimes now I will say those two I think people do feel it I just don't think

[00:23:45] they're as attuned to what they're feeling I think that a lot of us run in a high gear all the time yeah and so if it's a high gear about one thing or another it doesn't really matter because we just

[00:24:00] it's just our normal pace right we talked a little bit about some ways to battle you know this burnout you know and I guess we it's almost we've talked about some of the

[00:24:16] prevention and now when it's actually present and we talked a little bit about how you get at the core issues underneath that are making this happen are you working with belief systems and things to

[00:24:34] try and help somebody begin to see that maybe they're hooked by something they don't need to be hooked by yes yeah the the short answer is there's usually a values misalignment somewhere somewhere whether it's work whether it's personal sometimes as we mature our value systems change

[00:25:00] as well so you may be in a role at a job or in a business I mean I was running a business where my value is no longer aligned with that business and I exited my first business because of

[00:25:12] it but I think that there's often a values misalignment and that's at a core that's at the core of a lot of where burnout comes from that you know you kind of have to know what your values are

[00:25:29] to be able to identify that though so you know one exercise I do work through with with some of my clients is helping them identify their core values and there's

[00:25:39] you know a couple of steps to have them go through and you know a lot of the times people think they know and they usually do know a few things but so much of that is also unpacking

[00:25:50] like what we were taught what we how we grew up one of the biggest things I had to one of the biggest things I realized about myself was the difference between success and goals

[00:26:05] and how they're not the same like achieving a goal does not equal success and having to understand the importance of both but also redefining both in different ways for myself that was something that really I had to really work through with my own burnout

[00:26:21] um but yeah it's a very interesting values just they constantly pop up in this work and I it's hard to see it for yourself too that's the other thing I've learned it's

[00:26:36] really hard to it's hard to see that sometimes and to be able to label and identify what the misalignment is I will say that if if you're burned out or you just if you just have like

[00:26:49] that overwhelming never-ending stress you don't see a light at the end of the tunnel and you can't quite put your finger on what's causing it and you've done some work like you know you've looked

[00:27:02] at things you've talked to some people you've done a little bit of work and you still can't figure it out there's a really good chance it's a value is misalignment somewhere uh-huh so it's

[00:27:11] almost like a diagnosis by default sometimes but I see it in a lot of the work that I do yeah yeah that's so good because sometimes we just keep pushing those things we care about

[00:27:25] down and we go well that doesn't matter this is more important you know and and we go down that path of accomplishment or something like you're saying success that we have this vision of it and it's probably not what are what we're what inside

[00:27:47] we're telling ourselves internally is consistent with what we want to do that's it takes time doesn't it to uncover that it's it's a journey it's a process it's there's I there I mean I'm you know launching a book right now and I am very aware that

[00:28:08] I'm at a higher risk of burning out right now than maybe I was a few months ago and then maybe that I'll be you know when I'm through this initial period of launch yeah uh but again you know I

[00:28:22] say it a lot but I think just awareness and then being okay talking about it is a big big part of of all of this so one of the things that we've been hearing a lot about in the

[00:28:34] in the press not so much recently but I would say maybe a few months ago the exit of women from the workplace do you think it has to do with burnout yes yeah for sure uh I

[00:28:53] there are so many there are so many stats out there I mean it is overwhelming how many of us are overwhelmed how many of us are burned out and it really I mean I ask I can ask like if I'm

[00:29:04] always stressed how do I know if it's burnout you know that's a question that I am asked frequently um but yeah for women specifically and I think you know I think in a lot of the ways things

[00:29:17] are a lot better than they were even a decade ago but I mean even I I look at myself and my sister and my brother yeah um my sister and brother both have kids they're both growing they're both out all of

[00:29:30] them are out of the house now I don't have kids but I look at um caregiving responsibilities that just seem to land on my on my sister's plate and on my plate with with our parents and my

[00:29:43] brother will help he will do whatever we ask him to do but we still have to ask him to do it so sometimes it's just easier for us to do it and I think I think that there's a lot of that for

[00:29:55] women everywhere at work at home and I don't know if we all just need courses about how to delegate better and how to just not do something we delegate I don't know what the answer is there but I do think that um

[00:30:11] not waiting till you you need oxygen or something or yeah there's something about like I mean I get definitely you know there's one of my friends she's written a book she calls it she

[00:30:22] talks about the efficiency tax and I think you know where they always you know you everybody's heard the saying if you want something done give it to a busy person when you think about

[00:30:33] a busy person what's the image that comes to mind yeah well a crazy person I mean how about me I think of a mom with two kids in school probably middle school who's running a whole household

[00:30:49] who's working a full-time job who's also volunteering for something that's that's what I think about when I when I hear a busy person that's the image that comes to mind so

[00:30:59] I'm guessing I'm not the only one so yeah I think I think what back to your original question yeah I think burnout is a lot of the reason why we're seeing women exit the workplace there's a lot of

[00:31:10] other reasons but I think that that's one of them and I think and a lot of work that I do you know I work with entrepreneurs but what a lot of the business owners I work with are actually

[00:31:20] still working fuller part time and you know quote unquote corporate America while running or starting a side hustle so they can get out of yeah corporate America yeah now I'm I don't ever want to be the bearer about news but being a business owner is also not easy

[00:31:38] so you know I'm like let's check that first before you jump uh but there is there's something about having some control and I think that that's what ultimately people are women are leaving the corporate work workplace because I feel like for whatever reason

[00:32:03] they're just they're looking for more more control over their workplace their life their flexibility whatever it is and a lot of that is coming from the burnout that they're experiencing due to I think they're the busy people who get things done yeah

[00:32:23] such a good point Julie oh my god I think back and I kind of got oh god working through all of those things right you've also got the you know and listen I don't I don't want to beat up one

[00:32:39] any other gender you know because there's a lot of there are a lot of you know non-woman who are out there trying to do and change trying to help things get better but I think that when you there's just this expectation that when you're in any minority

[00:33:05] when you're in any minority and you know it's set a lot of ways but I've done for summer I just rewatched scandal and one of the sayings and there was you have to work twice as

[00:33:18] hard to get half as much and that was that was very much about you know black people and what they have to do but it's you know and I don't want to say it's the same for women

[00:33:27] but there is that you've got to work you know twice as hard to get half as much as what maybe your you know non-woman male counterpart might get and I think because of that we do it and I think

[00:33:42] because we do it we burn out so we talked a little bit about some steps that some of us can take for personal recovery but what else do you want to cover about that one thing I think is really

[00:33:59] important to note and this is something that came out when I was writing my book and doing my research that I didn't really see elsewhere dealing with the whatever's causing the burnout or the and and the problems the burnout causes is a completely different step from recovering from

[00:34:18] that burnout so and what I mean by that is you let's say you fix you figure out what's causing the burnout and you fix it at work or you fix it at home that doesn't mean you've recovered

[00:34:34] from what that burnout has cost you you then need to take some actions to help yourself recover from that burnout and that might be when a vacation shows up that might be when you know

[00:34:48] once you've you've started dealing with the problem you feel like it's under control you put a bandaid on it you know you've got you've got to plan to fix it for the long term

[00:34:58] then I think you have the space to actually deal with and do some take some personal recovery actions and that you know that can be a lot of different things for a lot of different people

[00:35:09] for me it's and I advise in my book to always look for things that you you've done before that have replenished you so I called them you know known and then will work for you so

[00:35:22] I might walk more or I might you know meditate twice a day or uh you know I might take that you know weekend trip to the beach and I think I think the reason um the reason is so important to separate fixing the problems from burnout and personally

[00:35:43] recovering from it it's because so many of us fix the problem and we skip the recovery part and we go straight into the next thing or we think the recovery part fixes the problem

[00:35:56] that's it too yeah so it's and that's where you don't want to that's that's you can't escape a problem you know I and I think with business owners specifically um they're very

[00:36:11] aware of this so they know like when I talk I it was funny when I was doing interviews for my book I had one business owner saying if one more doctor suggests I take a vacation

[00:36:24] I'm going to punch him and I was like that's because we know like are you how do you see like there is a fire here and I'm gonna walk away from my fire no that's not what I'm gonna do

[00:36:37] I'm gonna put the fire out yeah so that was the whole it's like how do you deal with that fire so that you then can take that trope or take that breather or do whatever it is you need to do

[00:36:47] so I think there's a lot of ways we can recover there's a lot of things and I have you know I I always say like deal with the thing that's the least like the least painful

[00:36:58] symptom you're dealing with first yeah figure out a way to recover from that first because it's an easy one yeah it's most likely an easy one but I think overall it's that separation between addressing the problems that the burnout is causing and then personally recovering from

[00:37:15] like what that cost you what that did to you two totally different steps so what a couple questions before I and my episode I always like to ask our guests you know what advice would you give to millennials and younger generations and

[00:37:33] you've given some terrific advice through this whole thing is there anything else that you would like to tell them I would tell I would tell millennials to learn how to walk with people

[00:37:49] to learn how to meet somebody where they are and and you know this is I'm technically a millennial I'm like an old millennial but I'm technically like right on that line I would tell millennials to learn how to meet somebody where they are and and either sit

[00:38:08] with them or walk with them and not try to pull them with them but walk with them and change together I think that there's something very you can you know walk very far together you

[00:38:24] can you know get somewhere fast butchering that saying but that's the gist of it there's just something about being able to do that that I think that a lot of younger generations

[00:38:35] don't have that I think they need and so that's what I would advise them to learn learn how to do and what would you tell your 20 something self today not to judge don't judge people no matter what no matter how much you disagree

[00:38:54] don't don't judge somebody I that's honestly one of the hardest lessons I think I've learned I had a lot of years of just righteousness and now it's like everybody's just trying I mean

[00:39:11] I think for most of us most people are just trying to show up you know do their thing yeah leave some kind of impact that's better leave a little bit of a legacy and go home and

[00:39:26] you never know what kind of day somebody's having or what they're dealing with so just don't judge don't judge people yeah definitely well my darling it was so much fun I so as you know

[00:39:39] love this topic and thought oh this is so perfect for us to talk about and thank you so much for joining us today it was just such a delight even though it was such a heavy topic

[00:39:51] Elonda it was great thank you for having me it's I listen it's a heavy topic but it's one that we need to talk about because a great majority of us are dealing with it so it's definitely

[00:40:05] something and you can't you can't fix something unless you're willing to talk about it so well thanks for coming to talk about it thank you for listening today and we sure hope you enjoyed this episode if you did please leave

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[00:41:02] around burnout the best way to begin to deal with burnout effectively is to first claim our burnout drop the guilt and the shame and then have a support team as we come through it

[00:41:16] two there are three different kinds of burnout and we typically go through them in this process intentional emotional and physical and three going on the vacation may be a band aid to deal with

[00:41:33] burnout and not deal with the underlying issue time and work needs to be taken to recover you can't escape the problem our next episode will be about self-care and there are some great books we

[00:41:49] can reference to help us through the conversation I was thinking we could all use a little more self-care and self-love these days please join us again and talk to you soon bye